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Super Saiyan 2 Goku on Kaio's planet?
Topic Started: Jul 25 2013, 04:41 AM (2,016 Views)
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What do you think?

Was Goku a Super Saiyan 2 here?


Was he hiding it the whole time?!
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Hmm, the bangs seem to match up quite nicely, but there isn't any visible lightning there. What's with his hair? It's the same color as his gi. SSJ God perhaps? ;)

But, wouldn't SSJ2 Goku have been able to defeat Perfect Cell? If he has SSJ2, he clearly doesn't have much faith in it:

Chapter: 405 (DBZ 211), P10.4, P10.6
Goku: “…Wait for Gohan to get angry…! He’ll…probably…unleash his true power through anger, and suddenly display ferocious strength [ ] …To defeat Cell…The only thing we can do is place our hopes in this power of Gohan’s…”


Gohan's latent power is the only thing he can put his hope in, apparently.

There's also this:

Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P10.4-5
Context: After powering up and almost destroying Karin’s tower…
Goku: “That just now was about half power. What do you think?


He marks that level out as being half his power, if he had SSJ2, that would make him a liar.

Oh, and if he had SSJ2 and believed that it wasn't enough, he would have demonstrated it to Gohan. He taught him how to use super saiyan, I would guess that he would have taught him super saiyan 2 as well, if he was capable of using it.
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It's possible he achieved the form during that exact moment, so he wouldn't have even been able to tell Gohan.
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You're joking right? Lol
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Considering Gohan didn't have lightning either, it is entirely possible, but:

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Vegeta allows Babidi to halfway take over his mind. Normally, Babidi would completely control the character; however, Vegeta retains control over his free will, yet also obtains the massive "power-up" from the "Majin" form. Vegeta's excuse is that he wants to return to his past, pure evil ways... in order to defeat "Kakarrot" once and for all. There are hints that Vegeta may have been able to transform into SSJ2 before the "Majin" charm, but there is absolutely nothing explicity said in either the anime or the manga.


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Apparently having reached the stage while training in the afterlife, Goku is forced to also transform into Super Saiyan 2 when Majin Vegeta reaches the stage (without any hassle) during their climactic fight during the Buu arc.



Daiz thinks Goku and Vegeta both achieved it later, through training. Goku hadn't trainined in the otherworld yet as the Daiz states, so I doubt he was SSJ 2.
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Even though I think this is a joke, but oh well. It's impossible since Goku wasn't there with Gohan, so...yeah...
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If it was just a burst for that moment, I doubt it would be considered actually transforming, so he could have truly achieved the form later during training.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:24 AM
If it was just a burst for that moment, I doubt it would be considered actually transforming, so he could have truly achieved the form later during training.
I suppose, but SSJ 2 requires an emotional suffering, just like SSJ. Goku really didn't have that, did he? Sure he was worried for the earth, but he didn't have the motivation to transform.
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Damn, the artwork is so nice here. Shame at how it declines somewhat in the next arc, especially towards the end.

It'd be a pretty big stretch to say this is the moment Goku got SSJ2, although I suppose you could argue that it has the emotional aspect to it, though Vegeta pretty much showed that the emotional side might not be necessary for it anyway.
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Hair's not blonde, I believe this is what we would consider the initial form of the Legendary Super Saiyan 2 God form...maybe if Bills wasn't paying so much attention to Freeza, he might have noticed this...stupid Egyptian cat.
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Come on seriously? Lol guys, Goku was not there with Gohan, he was communicating with him while dead remember? There is no way he can be there with Gohan spiritually or physically since only Baba has the ability to bring someone to the living realm....member?
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Jul 25 2013, 05:26 AM
ObsessiveFanGuy
Jul 25 2013, 05:24 AM
If it was just a burst for that moment, I doubt it would be considered actually transforming, so he could have truly achieved the form later during training.
I suppose, but SSJ 2 requires an emotional suffering, just like SSJ. Goku really didn't have that, did he? Sure he was worried for the earth, but he didn't have the motivation to transform.

There's nothing that states a necessary emotional trigger. What trigger did Vegeta have during the seven years? Or Goku if you think he got it then?
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Jul 25 2013, 05:24 AM
Even though I think this is a joke, but oh well. It's impossible since Goku wasn't there with Gohan, so...yeah...

What's impossible? That he used the form at all? I don't see how Goku not being there with Gohan would lead to that conclusion.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:26 AM
Damn, the artwork is so nice here. Shame at how it declines somewhat in the next arc, especially towards the end.

It'd be a pretty big stretch to say this is the moment Goku got SSJ2, although I suppose you could argue that it has the emotional aspect to it, though Vegeta pretty much showed that the emotional side might not be necessary for it anyway.

I wouldn't say he "got it" at that moment. More...he momentarily tapped into that power.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:27 AM
Hair's not blonde, I believe this is what we would consider the initial form of the Legendary Super Saiyan 2 God form...maybe if Bills wasn't paying so much attention to Freeza, he might have noticed this...stupid Egyptian cat.

The hair color might be different because he's there in a sort of spiritual form.
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There's nothing that states a necessary emotional trigger. What trigger did Vegeta have during the seven years? Or Goku if you think he got it then?
Goku could easily emulate emotions by bringing memories from the past, like he told Gohan to do in the rosat. Vegeta on the other hand could use the pure rage from trying to catch up to Goku.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:34 AM
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Even though I think this is a joke, but oh well. It's impossible since Goku wasn't there with Gohan, so...yeah...

What's impossible? That he used the form at all? I don't see how Goku not being there with Gohan would lead to that conclusion.
Pyro, Goku was with King Kai, he wasn't with Gohan throwing a Kamehameha..
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The anime shows Goku as a SSJ for what it's worth. (Nothing lol)
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